), Can say 19 zuan (jewel) or 21 zuan. Now it's going back! The 304 can be seen here and as you can tell, little has changed aesthetically for the Seagull 1963. The mishmash of colors works very well on the dial, and the applied gold markers and polished steel case do add a touch of class. I’m not confident that this clasp will last long, even though it, like everything watch-related from China, has some over-the-top perlage etched into the grooves (you can just make it out in an earlier photo). I purchased a 1963 from Watch Unique and also a custom project watch from Thomas. Before diving headfirst into the world of watches, he spent his days as a product and graphic designer. Detailed information about the use of cookies on this website is available by visiting our. From where I can buy an authentic Seagull 1963 time piece? It’s not a watch I’ll be wearing every day, so having a watch without the day or date makes things much easier to set when I forget to wind the watch. A subreddit for discussion of wrist watches and pocket watches. As I explained in the original article in great detail why all re-issues are either all fake or all authentic. No one seems to have a problem with it since Thomas has proven himself to be trustworthy time and time again (e.g. Seagull 1963 Chinese Air Force - different movements ? Ostensibly, the re-issue was to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the model, but there have been copies of this watch made a number of years before 2013 and continues to be made in small batch orders today. The Seagull 1963 is a re-issue of the “Project 304” watch. The Timeless Watch Channel 149,896 views. 1/8sec @ ƒ1.2, iso 160, 35mm (47mm). One thing I must say is that this watch is extremely fun to photograph (which you might be able to tell from the gallery). You can luck out and get a great one, or you can get a lemon. Taking the rich but relatively obscure history of their own brand and bringing it to light via recreations, while establishing themselves as a quality and competitive watch manufacturer. For watches that are comparatively inexpensive, they seem to be largely styled to compete in the luxury market. Well I don't know all the history of it, but the reason I am drawn to is is; Aesthetics - it doesn't really look like anything else, so it's quite unique and eye catching. His is a fake. I bought the 38mm sapphire from long island watch and I'm 99% sure it's real. Julian form poljot24 stocks them, I bought my strela from him his service is excellent and his warrantee retun is also excellent, he threw in an extra strap when it went in for service, so I would buy a seagull from him no question. TianJin Sea-Gull had their own reissue, the D304. Applied markers at odd numbered hours can be darts or squares (304 had either; mine has triangles). 1/15 sec @ f/2.2, iso 640, 4.15mm (35mm). it's manual wind only. But I am trying find a decent Nato or Zulu strap to replace the standard strap, could W&W advise where I could find a 17mm (as it seems 18mm is too big for this watch?) None of these watches are vintage with the same 19-jewel ST3 movement (the ST-19 movement in the Seagull 1963 has been updated and is now decorated) or strap (comes on a **NATO** strap!) However, besides the overall look, there is the coolness of owning a pretty-much-nonexistant-today column-wheel chronograph as explained in this video: In a world with smartphones and digital watches, a mechanical chronograph is more for the cachet and styling than any practical use. Discussion. As a re-issued watch that was originally produced for the People’s Liberation Air Force, the SeaGull 1963 definitely has a solid association with the country. But for what it’s worth, military tool watches tend to have large dials for the size and 38mm is pretty large for the era it came from. …There’s a lot of other variations but you get the idea. I’ve heard that there are many quality issues with Seagull movements. If you buy from Thomas and the thing breaks, he'll fix it for you. Mighty pleased with it and it sure gets a lot of attention. Whether this is due to the stigma of Chinese manufacturing being cheap and unreliable, traditionalism in watch manufacturing that says “if it ain’t Swiss, it ain’t good”, a lack of brand awareness or poor product positioning (or a combination therein) is hard to say without a lot of market research…We all know how valuable “Swiss Made” is for a watch brand and that “made is China” doesn’t always inspire confidence. The face of the 1963 is pure, purposeful and surprisingly elegant for a military watch. And so so handsome. Currently, through the 1963 website, the available model is a 21 jewel, sapphire crystal model that will run $389 or more with the multitude of strap options. But since this article is not about photography, I’ll put that discussion the the photo captions. Zach views watches as the perfect synergy of 2D and 3D design: the place where form, function, fashion and mechanical wonderment come together. It’s the watch to have and to keep. Damn, that's crazy. I believe he now has his own company that does watch related things, and remains on good terms with Sea-Gull, and other factories. Whoa whoa whoa, you guys are wondering whether this is a legit reissue? It got a lot of attention from watch forums and fashion blogs because, simply, it’s a great looking and affordable watch with authentic vintage styling that refers to non-Swiss watch-making history. This is a reference version of that model. Since I already set up my tripod and lightbox for a different shoot, I used the same setup to photograph the unboxing of my newly purchased watched. Simple is harder to achieve in design. They look great. Bahram, don’t ask this guy. As for accuracy, my copy started losing about 1 sec/day, but it’s settled closer to losing 6 sec/day. 21:39. Too bad I’m so rusty, I left the camera in program mode. [Seagull 1963] Apparently all 42mm versions are fakes. Instead I’ll talk about a watch I “splurged” on: the Seagull 1963 Re-issue. Case back can be solid, solid with engravings, display, display with screen printing on glass, or display with various engravings (304 was solid, mine is display with engraving saying “The First Chinese Air Force Chronograph 1963 (Reissue)” in Chinese). The 1963 is now available in a couple of varieties. Zach is the Co-Founder and Executive Editor of Worn & Wound. The glass of the case back has, all in red, four Chinese characters, a star in the center of column shape and the number 1963. 5 exposures, iso 200, 20mm (40mm). Both Thomas and Watch Unique gave me EXCELLENT customer service, I simply mailed the watch back and they repaired it and sent it back. ), The Seagull 1963 is a re-issue of the “Project 304” watch. Also if you like the watch I would say hunt down a 38mm acrylic version with the the cream color dial and solid caseback, that is the original configuration. Approximately 1,400 were made in 1963. http://www.hodinkee.com/blog/2011/2/18/the-seagull-1963-air-force-watch-an-affordable-tribute-to-a.html. (mine came in a plain wooden box). These are essentially project watches, fun watches, not to be taken terribly seriously IMO. Hello, I am the highest bidder on one at the moment on eBay . Nick M. Original Poster. But don't think you're going to get Daytona reliability or Moonwatch resale, Thomas would tell you that himself I'm sure. And with a chronograph at this price, it might end up cheaper to replace rather than repair. It’s all a matter of luck! However I paid a third of a typical aftermarket clasp, and a tenth of an luxury-brand OEM branded clasp, so when it fails I can just buy another or at least I’ve deferred the decision on what clasp to get. Appreciate it:). Yes, Seikos, Citizens, and Orients often are inspired by American or European designs but have a decidedly-Japanese take on things. ), Logo on dial could be the PLAAF emblem, a gold-outlined star, or gold star painted red (304 had either the PLAAF emblem, gold-outlined star or none at all (with printed numbers); mine is a gold star painted red. A beautiful watch, that, mostly, (I’ve had many) keep surprisingly good time, for the price. I put on a red leather strap which rather add character to it’s red army identity. He's a former Tsinlien Seagull manager. That's why they're running out of the acrylic crystals, the supply is drying up from this initial deal and the controversy is keeping the original source wary of getting busted selling out the "backdoor" by Seagull. The watch measures a mid-small 38mm with an 18mm lug width, but is approaching 14.5mm tall. Since the Rivetta is often said by others to resemble wood grain, I took out the most woody thing I owned (my portable Go set) and photographed it on that (taken on an Olympus E-PL3): Olympus E-PL3, Lumix G 20/F1.7 Seagull only makes one version of the 1963 at the moment, and that watch is known as the D304. Think about it this way: this is basically a Swiss movement, just an obsolete design with Swiss-made tooling just manufactured in China. They’re all of the same subject so you can see how camera/lens choice affect composition and processing. Since the lighting is very poor, the colors are flatter which seems to work out well on a Leica. Here’s to hoping it doesn’t break down too quickly. If you think it’s too small, you can buy easily purchase a bigger one, and no one is going to think the 38mm watch is too big. Picture. (304 was unsigned; mine is signed with the Sea-Gull logo. In fact, because of all these orders, there are now so many variations that a person can wonder which are fakes and which are authentic replicas. Given that I’ll probably not be able to find this same strap again when it fails years from now, I wanted a deployant clasp to keep the band from wearing down. All of the details are exquisite and it has the seagull logo on the crown. However as I mentioned earlier, this is not a clone but an actual Swiss movement from Swiss tooling, just made in China and then iterated on.
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